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PeterTosh 
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 Posted: Jan/31/2010 at 9:35pm |
Mona V, my mistake. I misinterpreted your post. Sorry mate
T Blue, I'm not the best person to answer your question. Ask me anything about Bob Marley and I'll answer it. The tour allows a certain time period of those Pings-late 80's early 90's I think. The tour uses local rules to get the rules they want. I'm sure they can always enact a local rule. Just like their local rule on embedded balls through the green. As far as Ping, I know there was a lot of passion behind their lawsuit with the man himself Karsten Solheim. I don't know what they would do this day and age? I don't know what's gonna happen. I think it was a pretty silly rule to begin with. But with my game, it won't bother me one bit. I think there are more people on here, much more qualified to answer your question.
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NavyGolfer
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Posted: Feb/01/2010 at 4:15pm |
As a Rules official, I'm often amazed by the lack of knowledge of the rules by Tour players (Mr Tosh excluded) as well as network commentators (one reason the USGA/NBC has an official on the braodcast staff at the US Open). I will comment on "getting relief" from an obstruction that improves your position from behind a tree (or other similar issue) to a clear shot. As an official, the question I frequently ask a player who is trying to get relief is "if the obstruction (such as the cart path they are standing on) were not there, how would you play that shot?" If clearly they shot could not be played (typical example is ball between tree roots so that the player cannot even get a club on it), the player is not entiltled to relief simple becasue there is an "obstruction". Below is a cut and paste of the exception to Rule 24-2 Immovable Obstructions
Exception: A player may not take relief under this Rule if (a) it is clearly unreasonable for him to make a stroke because of interference by anything other than an immovable obstruction or (b) interference by an immovable obstruction would occur only through use of an unnecessarily abnormal stance, swing or direction of play.
If on the other hand the player could play a shot (even if it is not on the ideal line toward the hole) they are entiltled to relief (from the immovable obstruction) , which may put them in a position to now play toward the hole. they benefit from the rule but it is certainly legal.
Usually the answer simple is taking the time to actually read the rule instead of thinking we know what the rule says.
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PeterTosh
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Posted: Feb/01/2010 at 4:40pm |
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Navy Golfer, I will never forget a situation either last year or the year before. Two player's balls are next to each other in a bunker and of course right on cue, they call for a rules official to get them out of this jam and to the amazement of my ears I hear NBCs Johnny Miller say "well this will make for an interesting rules situation." Come on, even I know what to do in that situation and it has to happen all the time out there.
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eskimo
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Posted: Feb/01/2010 at 5:23pm |
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Re: the Ping eye2's, I used to play the irons and loved them, but if memory serves correct the Eye 2 wedges were not very good at all, definitly the weak part of the Ping Eye 2 sets, anyone else have opinions. Hey Vtown...all those baseball cards of the 1960's Dodgers???
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tigerblue24
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Posted: Feb/02/2010 at 12:38pm |
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I'm understanding that the tour cannot ban the Eye2 wedges due to the agreement/ settlement between the Tour and Ping in the 90's. Also understanding that this issue can be solved with Pings approval ( money ??? ). I don't blame them on that. John Solheim is now CEO of Ping, after the passing of his father Karsten Solheim. I also cannot blame Phil Mickelson with his thoughts of slander and possible legal action. No, I am not a lawyer and lawsuit happy.
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VTown
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Posted: Feb/02/2010 at 3:10pm |
Originally posted by eskimo
Hey Vtown...all those baseball cards of the 1960's Dodgers??? |
Hey Eskimo 2 of the sets have been sold to a unnamed player and I still have a set of Orange Dots remaining. I guess I need to find the shortest pro's on tour and pitch them to them before I get stuck with one remaining set prior to them being banned. As far as them baseball cards I had better use for those Dodger and N.Y. teams i would draw on them and poke their eyes out and then put them in my bike spokes to make my bike sound like a motorcycle. I bought the cards for the gum. Go Bruins ............ Go Wildcats
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bdspler
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Posted: Feb/03/2010 at 9:46am |
I think the lawsuit was with the USGA. NOT the PGA ....... I'm for outlawing the pings....and wile were at it the putters longer than 47".
I'm Surprised at Phli, for no other reson than his contract with Callaway! I would Never do thst to them! ?????
sorry for the spelling < Hence the name!
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PeterTosh
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Posted: Feb/03/2010 at 9:52am |
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Anybody see McCarron on Golf Central last night. Jeez talk about a guy who was told to hit the camera and do a serious about face. And his silly comment about the difference between the wedges and the long putters. Gime me a break.
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tigerblue24
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Posted: Feb/03/2010 at 2:48pm |
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Scotty Carron, with the comment about the wedges and the long putter, once again had his mouth in high gear and his brain in neutral. No matter what Timmy Flinchem says, the only way these Pings will be banned will be with a big check written to John Solheim. The PGA tour would not have enough money to make his father Karsten Solheim allow his club banned. Bdspler, the long putters are around 47 inches, standard putters are 32 to 36 inches or so. Again, while I hate the long putter, it has been approved and should not be banned. A sport doesnt need to take 1 step forward and 2 steps back. Some have said they don't want the Tour to become like NASCAR, they already have ! As for Phil using a Ping while under contract with Callaway, most of the TOP players have clauses in their contracts that essentially say that they may play with other brands if their brand can't produce a equally performing club. I understand Callaway tried to clone a Eye2 like wedge, but Phil did not like it.
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NavyGolfer
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Posted: Feb/03/2010 at 8:26pm |
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Peter you are exactly right. Like most fans one of my biggest complaints is a round of golf on tour taking 5-6 hours to play. Some (but not all) of this delay is players calling for a rules official for routine issues. Drop from a lateral hazard, drop from a cart path. They stand around waiting when they could easily, agree between the players, take the drop and play away. A round of golf should NEVER take more than 4 hours.
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